Is their a real diffrence? 65hx93 vs 65H84

[Tryton]

I want to get a good tv, I have a sony from rent a center but paying 5000 fo it dont make sense, what i would like to know from you tobisha owners is which tv is better for the money, I have 2500 to spend, i have seen the 65h84 at bb for 2199. but the other model is way higher at the tobisha site.. whats the real diffrence? is it worth the extra money? Any help would be grateful.. Thanks

[Splicer]

The hx93 is a cinema series with a HD tuner built in.

The h84 is a HD monitor for the most part with regular cable tuner built in (no HD tuner).

Look at the picture of both and decide which you like best. I bought the H83 system myself over the HX93 because I liked the picture better. So did Consumer Reports as it was the best CRT RPTV they tested. Beat out the flagship cinema series. I love my set and have had no regrets in its purchase.

[Tryton]

unfourtantly, i have no way of seeing the hx93 at all, bb just dont have it, but as far as the h84, is it a good set do you know? that was the one I was most intrested in..

[Splicer]

I cant imagine it being much different than the H83 series. I think the H84 has a provision for a cable card, but you still need a HD tuner to get HD content either off cable/dish or OTA...

The 2 differences I noticed were the H83's black cloth speaker grill is now a silvery colored cloth, and the screw holes for the frame are covered. The rest seemed the same...

BTW...Sams has the 65H84 for like $1899 I believe...

[Lobstah]

Actually, there ARE substantial differences between the two sets. The HX93 uses different CRTs, different lenses, and I think it has a different screen, also.
Comparing TV's at BB or other retailers is all but impossible when dealing with RPTVs due to the fact that it's an electro-mechanical device, so until it's been calibrated, you're dealing with OOTB settings/conditions, which vary widely. This is one of the reasons that the Consumer Reports rankings came out the way they did.

That being said, they're both very functional units. I'm not personally familiar with the H84, but have owned both an H82 and now an HX93. My H82 had an amazing picture...the HX93 is even better.

Lob

[Tryton]

Im not looking for a intergrated hdtv, i work for the cable company and get hdtv w/all channels for nothing. that being said, I was wondering about the pq on the 65h84's, I have a sony kp57ws510 and i have used avia to calabrate the set. It looks ok butwhen I watch say football on sunday, the grass looks like its distorting.. plus the tv's too small as well. :)

[Splicer]

Call or go to Sam's and check it out. I don't think you'll be disappointed. I would also consider the removal of the glare screen but I am sure you are aware of that already...

[ovalnut]

One reason for the grass looking distorted is due to the compression that the cable company applies to the signal to conserve bandwidth. With an integrated set you can pick up that same network braodcast via an over the air antenna, and presto no grass distortion. This is because the over the air broadcast signal is not overly compressed. Once you can A/B the cable HD signal with the OTA HD signal on the exact same set as it is happening, the difference is striking. Additionally, there are other networks transmitting HD signals that are not distributed via the cable or sat companies. Meanwhile, with an integrated set you can still hook up the cable co STB to a component or DVI/HDMI input, and you're in business for HDNet, INHD, ESPNHD, HBOHD, ShowtimeHD etc.. piece of cake.

Beyond that, I really do like my 57HX93. There are other differences that set it apart from the HX84 beyond what Lobstah alluded to as well, such as a higher bandwidth, higher amperage video amp. The key though is the CRT/lens combination whch was only made available on the HX93 since it was purpose built for HD.

Ahh, but the rub.... they stopped making them. If I were in the market today, I'd be looking at either the Hitachi 57F510 (integrated, though I really dislike silver TV's. I'd end up painting it). If your heart is set on HD-ready only, then look at the Hitachi 57X500.

Good luck,

Tim
:patriot:

[57U]

One reason for the grass looking distorted is due to the compression that the cable company applies to the signal to conserve bandwidth. OTA transmits at UP TO 19.4 Mb/sec. Most large cable companies "pass" the identical up to 19.4 Mb/sec signal (no further compression) to their customers.

There are some cable companies that put 3 instead of 2 HD channels on the 6 MHz band when they are bandwidth limited, therefore, you get roughly 13 instead of 19 Mb/sec available. This could produce some compression artifacts when there is movement on the screen.

The difference mentioned may be attributable to a better OTA STB than a cable STB. The difference is most often NOT compression.

[ovalnut]

The difference mentioned may be attributable to a better OTA STB than a cable STB.

Perhaps true, and not tryng to pick a fight, just helping. Regardless though, the onboard OTA tuner, not an STB, provides options ergonomically as well. Bear in mind that the tuner is hardwired into the set and not subject to degradation from potentially unworthy external cables.

My $0.02, and I'm out of this gunfight.

Tim :patriot:

[deckard]

Interesting article on compression here (http://www.hdtvexpert.com./pages/itshdtv.htm)